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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (tdj_tx)

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Can I get something clarified here?

A. Is this the sauce [ i.e. with ground beef] that is being described as inedible & inauthentic with respect to  North Jersey ALL THE WAY SAUCE?

B. This ground beef sauce works well on Hebrew National but not Boar's Head all-beef franks?
"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
 
1 tbsp vegetable oil
1 lb 85% lean ground beef
1 onion, chopped fine
3 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp chili powder
1 tsp brown sugar
1/4 tsp ground allspice
2 c chili sauce
1 c water
1/4 c hot sauce (Frank's Redhot is recommended)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce
2 tbsp yellow mustard
 
1. Heat oil in large skillet over medium-high heat until shimmering.
Add beef and onion and cook until beef is no longer pink, about 5 minutes.
Stir in tomato paste, chili powder, brown sugar, and allspice and cook until
paste begins to darken, about 2 minutes. Add chili sauce and water and bring to boil.
Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer until mixture is thickened, about 7 minutes.
 
2. Transfer half of mixture to a food processor and process until
coarsely ground; return to skillet. Stir in hot sauce, worcestershire, and mustard.
Serve. (Sauce can be refrigerated in airtight container for 3 days.) Makes about 3 cups.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65gdL6CrNw

C. There is ANOTHER recipe, also published by Tdj_Tx a while back for NJ ALL THE WAY SAUCE which uses NO ground beef but ONLY ground up beef/pork dogs. His recipe + more tomato & nutmeg approximates a golden ideal.
By inference, this sauce should ONLY be used on beef/pork dogs.

Please reprise that sauce recipe here to clear up this confusion.

Thanks much.

It is confusing, hot dog sauces as well as favorite hot dog brands vary so much from region to region. I do prefer the Hebrew National dogs as well as Nathan's all beef. The Boars Head beef dogs are good but they have a natural casing which has a nice snap to it when you bite it. I prefer those with just mustard and sauerkraut. My original recipe posting for Mid-Hudson Valley Texas Hot Weiner Sauce is basically a clone of a sauce served by my beloved Dallas Hot Weiners in Kingston NY. When we moved to Texas I missed them so much I had to create a sauce that was very close. Many recipes are very tightly held family recipes and it's really hard to truly clone them. A friend of mine's family owned a deli in Kingston where they sold hot weiners. He could only tell me that the main ingredient was ground hot dogs, so I started with that. One Kingston family started selling their sauce commercially. I bought a jar and brought it back to Texas. They have to include the ingredients  on the label, in order of amounts. I just used that to reverse engineer the sauce. After tweaking it for years I came up with something that my family really liked, I posted it here and others tried it and like it as well.

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (mplowman)

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I have made this reciepe and this is the best!!!! Takes time to make but it makes a lot and freezes well so it's worth the effort.

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (Biagartler)

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John Fox
I went there [Clixes] once some years ago on a Sunday and they were closed that day.

 
Clix Pruiksma was very much a Christian, so I was never surprised to see the "Closed On Sundays" sign.
 
It was a family place in the truest sense of the phrase. Whole families would go there regularly (ours did), and it was family run. I miss them....
 
 

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (Biagartler)

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pimple2
"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
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With due respect to Mr Chris Kimball, publisher of Cook's Country, this recipe is not for an authentic Paterson-area sauce. I could make a remark about his bow tie having perhaps been on too tight when this was taste-tested and chosen, but he hailed from New England, not NE New Jersey, and should be excused as he is unlikely to ever have experienced one all the way. It sounds like a great hot dog topping, but it's not a Jersey Wiener sauce. He does lose a ton of cred, however, for his publication having recommended yellow library paste (that disgusting tumeric emulsion) instead of honest-to-john mustard.

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (tdj_tx)

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Biagartler

pimple2
"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
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With due respect to Mr Chris Kimball, publisher of Cook's Country, this recipe is not for an authentic Paterson-area sauce. I could make a remark about his bow tie having perhaps been on too tight when this was taste-tested and chosen, but he hailed from New England, not NE New Jersey, and should be excused as he is unlikely to ever have experienced one all the way. It sounds like a great hot dog topping, but it's not a Jersey Wiener sauce. He does lose a ton of cred, however, for his publication having recommended yellow library paste (that disgusting tumeric emulsion) instead of honest-to-john mustard.

Chris didn't have a say in this recipe, it was a reader's submitted recipe to the "Looking for a Recipe" section of the magazine. She lives in Potomac Md but said while growing up her and her sisters spent summers on the Jersey shore where she was introduced to this sauce. I guess it's her interpretation of it. It's not bad but I agree with you on the yellow mustard, I don't care much for it either. I always make a recipe verbatim the first time then improve on it if needed.

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (Transplant)

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I lived in NJ at one time and have frequented a few joints with "all-the-way" sauce. I preferred Hanges or the Hot Grill for local haunts, for some reason I felt Clixes was not quite there with their sauce. Just my opinon. I have tried your recipe ocalaFL because I have not had any "all-the-way" sauce in a number of years. After assembling my dog (bun, dog, onion, sauce) I closed my eyes and took a bite. It's very close to what I remember, even down to the aftertaste " /> and I am a happy chappy. Thanks for sharing!

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (ocalaFL)

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Thanks Transplant. I appreciate your review.
I was just making this today and decided to check in to see if anyone had left comments lately, and there you were.
The aftertaste is most definitely there, however after modifying the recipe more for my taste, I like it even more (and now it REALLY has an aftertaste that just makes you want more). Here is how I have changed it:
 
I do not put in ginger or nutmeg.
I have changed the amounts for the following -
2 medium onions
12oz tomato paste
3 tsp chili powder
4 tsp cumin
1 tsp cinnamon
1 tsp cayenne
Salt is now Kosher and I use White Pepper
 
Everybody I have made this for all agree it was a major improvement, not that it needed any but I personally believe it has a more unique flavor. The dogs I currently use are Oscar Mayer Angus smoked uncured beef franks and either cook them in the broiler or on the BBQ. They are expensive but they go together very well.
 
I hope to see some reviews with the changes since summer is coming up and backyard bbq's will be commonplace on the weekends. I thought I would have seen more activity here because of the over 20,000 views so far. Hope to see you review the tweaked recipe!

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (ocalaFL)

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Is anybody going to try making this for the upcoming Labor Day weekend?
Cutting the recipe in half is just fine if you do not want to commit to something new and just have it as an option along with your regular toppings for the dogs.
 
Now would be the time to get the ingredients and plan for a good half day of cooking and simmering. If anyone is going to try, I would suggest following my modifications a few posts back. It seems to please more people for some odd reason.
 
I do hope there are a few people that will test the recipe and come back to post their results.    :)

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (Foodbme)

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Ocala, fl,
I updated your recipe and I'm gonna make some this week, HOWEVER, I'm gonna steal TDJ_TX's idea and use 2# of finely chopped up hot dogs instead of the ground beef and see what happens. I'll let you know!

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (ocalaFL)

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Has anybody compared my originally posted recipe to the one where everything goes into a big pot and gets simmered? There is absolutely no tomato product at all.
I know it is called a Greek Hot Dog Sauce and have seen a few recipes that come close to what I have in my ingredient list but the procedure is not the same.
 
I may just have to try one of them and see how it does in a taste test. Anybody know of a close contender?

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (ocalaFL)

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Just made a fresh batch, and the kitchen smells GREAT!
I almost took a bite before taking the picture " />" />" />" />" />" />
Here is a picture to get your mouth watering:

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (ocalaFL)

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This stuff is a hit for New Years Eve. I made a big batch today and stuck it in the freezer to thaw the day before.
 
Anybody else planning on making it for their party?
 
 

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (Britney)

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I made your modified recipe (page 3) last weekend and it was EXCELLENT! Thank you so much for posting it and sharing with everyone. We need more people like you who reveal their prized recipes and not hide them away as being a family secret.
I was thinking of starting a hot dog stand or maybe a cart - now with this recipe I am very seriously thinking about it :)
Definitely going to make this again soon for a party I am having and will get feedback on it and will let you know the result.
Cheers!
 

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (Britney)

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I made this last weekend for a bunch of friends before everybody gets busy with the holidays.
Again, it was a hit! An all beef hot dog is the only way to go with this and makes the whole experience complete.
I had 3 people ask for the recipe, which of course I shared.
They will also be going to this site to see what else they have been missing out on all their lives ;)
I am surprised nobody has had any comments since the last time I was here. Maybe they want to keep this as their secret? LOL
Thanks again for a great recipe!
 

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (Flandog)

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OK - Superbowl Sunday and I'm getting ready to make my 3rd annual batch of Hot Texas Wieners.  I've made the ocalaFL posted recipe twice and they were excellent both times.  Thanks ocalaFL!  Today I'm going to add the suggested tweaks to the spices (no nutmeg or ginger).  I have to say - my last batches were just like I remember growing up in NJ (Passaic County) - and visiting my grandparents in Paterson.  I loved Falls View as a kid and I have fond memories of viewing the falls and eating hot dogs with my father and grandfather...
 
Miss the NJ food = potato pancakes from Grandma, Taylor ham sandwiches for breakfast, Otto's (Bloomingdale) potato salad, Gionelli's Deli (Wayne), Little Teddies Deli (New Brunswick)

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (leethebard)

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...but keep those New Jersey memories alive......keep that Jersey spirit alive out there in California!!!

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (volky)

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I'm gonna try Ocalafl's recipe this week. The taste of ***** **** sauce is unmistakeable. If this is it, I'm a lucky man!

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (hosszilla)

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Hi,
So, which of these recipes most closely resembles Johnny & Hanges, Clixes, Goffle Grill?  I lived in Hawthorne NJ for 25 years, and miss going to these places every week.  I'd like to try the one that most people think tastes authentic.  I have had J & H in the last year, and the flavor does have cinnamon.  I amsure both are good, but I would like to hear opinions if possible.  I will post back after trying.
Thanks!
 

Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (hosszilla)

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Ok, tried the original recipe of this thread, with edits on page 3.  This is chili.  Looks like chili, smells like chili, tastes like chili.  It is definitely not Clixes or Johnny & Hanges style texas wiener sauce.  When you take J & H to go, your vehicle has the smell of the sauce for days, it is distinct, and immediately makes your mouth water.  When I made this last night, and went outside to get a beer, coming in, the house smelled like chili.  Putting it on Sabretts, tasted like chili.  An authentic Clixes style sauce should not have tomato paste (or less than the 12 oz per 2 lb meat).  It made it too sweet.  And maybe less cumin and chili powder.  We spent a lot of time at Clixes, I would go there on my bike, we had baseball dinners from there.  We used to fish in the same lake in Quebec as one of the sons (I believe the one who passed, RIP), and my dad had an open invitation to go with him fishing there.  Wish I could find that great recipe, works on dogs, burgers, fries, etc.

Re: Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) (hosszilla)

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Tried the second recipe attached to this thread.  That was closer, but still not there.  Too much chili sauce, gave it too much of a rich tomato flavor.  Will try it again, cutting the chili sauce in half, and adding something to replace it.
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